Host and drummer BW Derge and “Guitar-Host” Nick Ring listening to a special jam about an Upside Down Tree. Also - Tool Booed in Mexico.
Jam Notes (ep. 11): Tool Gets Booed in Mexico - Commenting on an Upside Down Tree (Chill Blues Rock)
Listening to a jam that has been published on the website and YouTube channel already. Talking guitar effects, how drumming is like skateboarding… in video games, and how much recording quality matters with music.
In this episode of the Jam Notes Podcast alking shit about the band Tool and how fans booed the band in Mexico. Perhaps some technical issues were going on backstage? Canadian Cowboy was one of the first jams they did that sounded good.
- · Guitars make mind-blowing noises
- · Starts with a drum solo
- · The bluesy shit we like
- · Simple blues that feels good
- · Gets a bit swerved.. or sloppy, whichever.
- · Emotionally poetic jam music
- · Locked in lo-fi two instruments
- · 2019 Single Material Music (Jammi Jam)
- · Tool repeated setlist in Mexico
- · Is it a big deal, worth booing?
- · Danny Carey and Maynard are humans
- · The follow-ups are coming, next episode!
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Music Podcast about Upside Down Tree Jam - Tool Booed in Mexico
Transcript:
Speaker 1 | 00:00
Hey, everybody. That's Dergy. I'm Nick Ring. I'm your guitar host, as I've been dubbed, and this is... Your real host, your normal host, your podcast host.
Speaker 2 | 00:12
I'm a host. Apparently. This is the nightly news... I don't know what I was going with for?
Speaker 1 | 00:22
That. Wichita? Was it Wichita you were going Yeah.
Speaker 2 | 00:24
Wichita Falls.
Speaker 1 | 00:26
We matched today. Look at that nice little color spectrum. Wow, we're really getting it together It's the Jam Notes Podcast.
Speaker 2 | 00:33
Here. What are we doing here? Have you said the name? Jam Notes? And we are listening to Jam. And this is a special jam. Why Because it's the first jam...
Speaker 1 | 00:47
Is it special, man?
Speaker 2 | 00:51
That we've listened to that has Already been published without our commentary. On the chin. Okay.
So there's a small chance. You could have heard this song. It's special. Because... I really love the last two minutes or so. In fact, I remember cheering in the car. Listening to this. Driving over work one day. How much I liked it Wow explosion I And then I showed it to you and you said, this is so simple.
Speaker 1 | 01:19
Real cheer.
Speaker 2 | 01:26
I'm just doing this. Yeah.
Speaker 1 | 01:29
Yeah. Okay, now I have a good reference of what's going to happen. I will a good, I, because I'm pretty sure I'm right.
Speaker 2 | 01:39
About what happens. It just kind of proved that with guitars, I kind of know what's going on, but I'm mostly just blown away.
Like, noises and drums. Very much so.
You know like what's what kind of what's he trying to do there where's he going with this more focused on the drums, but guitar is kind of They blow my mind. Bye. Cool.
Speaker 1 | 02:05
.. Well, on that note. We are going to... Hit play. Damn Nuts Podcast.
Yeah, y'all. So this one was not recorded in the basement here. It was recorded before I got, like, a mic that we recorded with and an interface and all this stuff.
Yeah, in a different room in this house, and it was through's phone. Yes. And it's titled An Upside-Down Tree. Yep. Because he flipped his phone upside down and pointed it out the window rather than at us.
Speaker 2 | 02:42
Yeah, I just wanted to record the sound, but it's actually kind of cool if you really watch it. You can kind of see the glass vibrating. Our music and it kind of makes it's kind of trippy okay.
Speaker 1 | 02:54
Well check that out it is on the channel Here we go.
Speaker 2 | 03:02
I'm not. Entirely sure when This was recorded, but definitely... Free 2020.
Speaker 1 | 03:17
Definitely pre-2020.
Speaker 2 | 03:19
Yeah.
Yes. Hell yeah.
I think I was happy to be drumming again.
This is the bluesy shit I like.
I don't know what effect that is. Trying to fix the guitar sound like it's groaning.
You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 | 04:46
Makes the guitar sound like it's.
Speaker 2 | 04:47
Groaning. For a minute there, Cuddy went...
Like... You Not a grunt, but a groan. Not a bad groan. There are many groans. - The groans out there.
Speaker 1 | 05:00
Yeah. - Browns.
Speaker 2 | 05:12
Got attitude.
I kinda think of this like Tony Hawk tricks. The video game, because I never really skateboarded. Should I keep the combo going? And when I hit that last crash, that's like landing the trick.
So when I miss that symbol, I've fallen off the skateboard.
Speaker 1 | 05:53
Manual.
Speaker 2 | 05:53
Man, yeah. Gotta stay on that. Or you can do a I'm doing some combos here, yeah. Manuals, grinds.
Yeah. Right. That was kind of that grump, that "Ugh!" I'm just chord.
Speaker 1 | 06:09
Strumming down a.
Speaker 2 | 06:11
*Drum roll* you I'm letting it come.
Speaker 1 | 06:26
- Tars Kleider, must have been closer to you.
Speaker 2 | 06:33
I forget where the amp was set up.
Yeah, well, it's always louder to me, so... This is kind of how it sounds.
Yeah. I guess I don't know.
Yeah, but I like what you're doing on the guitar.
Speaker 1 | 07:00
It's just some kind of chill blues rock. *Badass music* Getting more of a mid-driving... Tempo Blues But it's been pretty simple. Been pretty simple so far. But it feels good, you know? And that's why it's always better to start simple and complicate things later on.
Like, let your mind and people's minds do the work. Let simplicity work when it.
Speaker 2 | 07:35
Does. I think we get a little complicated. Then it lands and I guess that nice ending, ooh. I hope I don't hype you up too much. It's a good one.
Landing those tricks okay, still going. Got the manual. He made it. He made it.
It's got that emotion, it's poetic.
Speaker 1 | 08:28
Yeah. Thank you.
But I can totally hear the difference between us using real microphones and an iPhone. You know, like it sounds much smaller. Everything is squeezed together.
Speaker 2 | 08:51
Yeah.
Speaker 1 | 09:01
Like when you break it down like that.
Speaker 2 | 09:14
I got a very low threshold for that kind of stuff. Like...
Speaker 1 | 09:20
- Breakdown.
Speaker 2 | 09:22
No, like for audio quality.
Speaker 1 | 09:25
Okay. So do you hear much of a difference between this and what we do, what we have been listening to recently? All right, James.
Speaker 2 | 09:39
Yes, there are differences. Once you mention it, that it's closer to the drum set, that makes sense. Maybe that's why I like it so much, just because it sounds more like what I'm back there.
Speaker 1 | 09:53
Hearing But we are working on double-miking things, so I think that will help. Like, I've got a mic on my amp today, and then I'll put this mic closer to you when we jam.
Speaker 2 | 10:09
I guess my whole debate is... Okay, so there's over here. Where the recording just kills the song. It doesn't matter how well you play. I think you got a large gap. Where? As long as you're playing good. The recording is... It's just gotta be acceptable.
Speaker 1 | 10:30
Yeah.
Speaker 2 | 10:32
And then you got this I don't really understand where everything is production and sound.
Speaker 1 | 10:40
And I feel like this is where like lo-fi works. We're locked in and it's just two instruments.
Yeah. Like, that is... That works.
Speaker 2 | 10:52
It's definitely past the acceptable range. Yeah, you know. But yeah, maybe on the more towards here.
Speaker 1 | 11:01
It's got no ass to it, you know? It's all up here.
The kick is trying, but it's not like...
Speaker 2 | 11:23
- Damn. Is that it?
Yeah. Yeah.? This has single material. At least in 2019. We may have moved past that point.
Speaker 1 | 11:41
Depends on what kind of band we're talking about. This is more of a, like... The Jammy Jam band, which I guess we fucking are because we never play songs.
Speaker 2 | 11:54
We could have honed this, like these two minutes we could hone in. Real simple lyrics. Sure.
Yeah, throw in something provocative, but not too provocative.
- That, I don't know, okay. Yeah, the blues. I don't know how else to call it.
Speaker 1 | 12:28
It's two chords, but I'm playing it a bluesy style.
Speaker 2 | 12:31
It's funny that like... A bluesy style. I want to say it sounds like metal, but I don't mean metal. I mean metal like metal yeah that's blues to me that good blues Or maybe we haven't gotten there yet.
Speaker 1 | 12:40
Yeah.
Speaker 2 | 12:50
That might have been a teaser. Yeah, we, yeah, Okay, that was just a preview, folks.
Speaker 1 | 12:53
Okay. I definitely changed up the effects, so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 | 13:01
Yeah, we got at least... Three more minutes.
Yeah. Yeah... Do you have any music news for a catchy thumbnail?
Speaker 1 | 13:18
Music is-- did you see-- OK. I don't love... Talking shit about Tool. But did you see the news?
Speaker 2 | 13:28
What?
Speaker 1 | 13:29
They had a festival recently, maybe this past weekend, in Putakana...
Speaker 2 | 13:36
Chile?
Speaker 1 | 13:37
No, Okay, maybe I don't know where I'm had their festival.
Speaker 2 | 13:38
Mexico. I know they're going to South America. Talking about. They might be starting in Mexico. I've watched an interview.
So they.
Speaker 1 | 13:48
Their festival where Primus played and Cogedon Cambria and a bunch of fucking cool bands played. And so it was Tools Festival. They were the headliner. And they played one set on Friday night and they fucking killed it. Okay. They played songs from all five of their studio albums according to the article that I read. But then the second night, They were promising to do completely Unique.
Speaker 2 | 14:16
They did the same thing. They.
Speaker 1 | 14:18
Did four out of... Nine songs. They did nine songs for the evening. Four of them were the same. And almost in the same positions on the set list, too. Which is like super mind-boggling.
Speaker 2 | 14:31
I gotta tell you I pearls.
Speaker 1 | 14:33
Was like always stretching my.
Speaker 2 | 14:36
Like expected something so much worse. I was like, that's Tool for you. It I get why they- I think they're mad because they haven't been there for so long.
Speaker 1 | 14:42
Is Tool for you, but fans were pissed. They are fucking pissed.
Speaker 2 | 14:52
I think they've only been to Mexico a few times.
Speaker 1 | 14:54
But it's mostly Americans who go to those.
Speaker 2 | 14:55
Shows. But they're going to South America for the first time ever. They're going to Chile, Brazil, all those places. And maybe those fans aren't like, " you're gonna do the same things two nights in a.
Speaker 1 | 15:07
Row." I don't know. I think it's bogus. I think it's... I think it's... I don't know what happened. I hope that some technical thing was happening behind the scenes to prevent them ten song setlist, which they did the first night, and then a nine song setlist, which they did the second night, both of those are not long.
Speaker 2 | 15:17
From changing the setlist. I've heard Danny say... Even a.
Speaker 1 | 15:27
Like, if you go see a Tool concert, it's gonna be more than ten.
Speaker 2 | 15:30
I will tell songs could be two hours, depending on the nine little...
Speaker 1 | 15:31
You. And if people went to the festival looking for the Tool headliner, then they're going to be like, what? Nine Tool Tool songs. Check it out. Check it out. You were asking for a juicy.
Speaker 2 | 15:44
Yeah, well you got me going, I'll tell you that. Dan and Kerry has said Maynard completely picks the playlist based on his voice.
Yeah. So it's on him.
Speaker 1 | 15:53
And that sucks.
Speaker 2 | 15:55
That's hard. He could shit on a plate and I wouldn't eat it but I'd say hey man Good meal. He can do anything at this point because he is... He has exceeded my expectations so much. - And even the stuff I'm like, "!" about, I kind of get.
Speaker 1 | 16:13
And he's like, I feel like more recently he's revealed himself to be more human. ...than in the past. He does more interviews and talks to people and he's a regular guy, although he does a fucking million things.
Speaker 2 | 16:26
More than any other of my idols.
Speaker 1 | 16:30
I just...
Speaker 2 | 16:33
- Creative vein, I feel like. I know what he's tapping into. That's what I want to tap into. And I don't care... About the rest of it I'd rather tap into that vein and not get the... All that he's got.
Speaker 1 | 16:49
Success. Money vein. Right.
Well, that's assuming that it was Maynard's issue that would lead to this song refoothing.
Speaker 2 | 16:56
Who knows what it was. This is the first time hearing about doing it.
Speaker 1 | 16:58
It. Yeah, so I would hope that it's a technical thing. It would prevent them from It's about to get really.
Speaker 2 | 17:03
I think we're at the point. Good. Here we go. Here we go, single material.
Speaker 1 | 17:22
♪ Baby ♪.
Speaker 2 | 17:25
Here we go.
Speaker 1 | 17:42
This is like honestly what Canadian cowboy needed to work. It's like this section.
Speaker 2 | 17:49
You could throw Canadian Cowboy into this. Yeah. Hell yeah.
Speaker 1 | 17:53
It sounds like it's in the same key.
Speaker 2 | 17:59
Yeah, I just had this on in the background driving home from work and then this that's why you love it and I went whoo then we don't go too long, we end it.
Speaker 1 | 18:05
That's like a cowboy inside you.
Speaker 2 | 18:13
- Jess, two minutes.
Speaker 1 | 18:18
After 14 minutes.
Speaker 2 | 18:19
Yeah, well... Without this 14, we couldn't have the two. Nice drum. Gonna bring it back. - Maybe, no. - Hey, what's up?
I'm telling you. Single material.
Speaker 1 | 18:52
- Very different.
Speaker 2 | 18:54
No, but this could be part of it. This is so good.
Like, we got our 10-second TikTok clip. Yeah.
And then, like, if you actually listen to the song, it's like, it's not bad. Like, that's what you gotta do these days, apparently.
Speaker 1 | 19:05
And then you have your ambient stuff for.
Speaker 2 | 19:07
Everybody else. I think we should just make 18 minute jams.
Speaker 1 | 19:15
That's what we do. And we say, you know, All right.
Speaker 2 | 19:18
Fuck it. Fuck it.
Speaker 1 | 19:23
Maybe you'll hear that jam again elsewhere.
Speaker 2 | 19:25
You can find it. Only thing I wanted to add is I believe I promised last time an update to all the amazing questions we've asked over the first eight episodes.
Speaker 1 | 19:37
You got some. Yeah.
Speaker 2 | 19:38
And I have not compiled that, but I wanted to get one in today. So we're just gonna leave you in anticipation. But I'm pretty sure we got a good chunk of stuff to... I know we got the koala bears. That's top of mind. I still don't carnivores! Actual bears! Are they related to the bears?
Speaker 1 | 19:55
Know the answer. Yeah, are koala bears carnivores? Do we know? No, not.
Speaker 2 | 20:03
They're not bears. I think they are bears. That was the whole thing. We went If they are...
Speaker 1 | 20:06
On to it. Okay. Come back with an answer on that one.
Speaker 2 | 20:12
You say they aren't bears.
Speaker 1 | 20:13
They are not bears.
Speaker 2 | 20:14
If they are not bears, I still say they are not marsupials.
Speaker 1 | 20:18
I think they are.
Speaker 2 | 20:19
Just because you're in Australia.
Speaker 1 | 20:21
Not everything's a marsupial. I get it. Most of the noteworthy mammals Yeah, next We do.
Speaker 2 | 20:28
Are... Okay.
Well, that and I think there were a few more... Questions people are just dying to know the answer to. Time. And I know koala bears have chlamydia.
Speaker 1 | 20:40
Yeah.
Speaker 2 | 20:40
That's a lot of chlamydia. That's a That's the Jam Notes podcast.
Speaker 1 | 20:41
Problem. Though.
Speaker 2 | 20:48
You got anything to add?
Speaker 1 | 20:50
No... Yeah. What's up? Let's jam. Woohoo! Yeah.
Speaker 2 | 20:59
*Chuckles*.
Speaker 1 | 21:03
I'm going to put some potatoes in the oven and then I'm coming right back.
Speaker 2 | 21:06
Down. Ready?
Speaker 1 | 21:16
Yeah, it does if you plug it in.